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Life-Threatening & Historic Cold Grips Much of U.S.; Intel Chiefs Contradict Trump on Global Threats; Interview with Howard Schultz, Former Starbucks CEO. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired January 30, 2019 - 06:00   ET

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is NEW DAY. It is Wednesday, January 30, 6 a.m. here in New York. And we begin with the freezing temperatures.

There is a polar plunge gripping most of the America. Life- threatening temperatures and dangerous wind chills will invade much of the country today and tomorrow. Some parts of the Midwest will see the coldest weather in decades. This deep freeze will be so brutal that it will be colder in Chicago than in Antarctica, or Alaska, or the North Pole. You're welcome, elves. The most extreme temps will be felt in Minnesota, where wind chills could be a bone-chilling 70 degrees below zero.

The winter blast is being blamed for at least three deaths.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: State governments and schools are closed all over the place. Thousands of flights have been canceled. Amtrak is shut down. All trains to and from Chicago. The U.S. Postal Service is suspending mail delivery in parts of at least ten states. Heavy snow in Michigan. Ridiculous whiteout conditions. The ice and snow have led to crashes and pile-ups on highways, including Minnesota, where 193 accidents were reported in one day.

You know, more than anything, the message we want you to get this morning, it's very cold.

CAMEROTA: Yes. And don't go anywhere. Just stay in front, parked of your TV and NEW DAY. Do not go outside.

BERMAN: In front of a fire, as well.

Let's begin with CNN's Ryan Young, live in Chicago where the temperature, the temperature is negative 20 degrees. The wind chill is 46 below zero. As I stretch out this intro even more, Ryan, so you have to stand out there longer, it just sounds insane, the cold.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I appreciate it, John. Look, it is cold, and especially when the wind starts hitting you.

One of the things I will show you is the Chicago River. But normally, in this bustling area, you'll see people walking to the office. So far, we haven't seen anyone walking this direction.

I think the big thing here is people are taking this cold punch very seriously.

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YOUNG (voice-over): Nearly three-quarters of the U.S. bracing for bitter cold.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like I'm going into a freezer.

YOUNG: Digging out as life-threatening low temperatures and ferocious winds grip the Midwest.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's hard to take a breath in. It's affecting my lungs a little bit.

YOUNG: In Wisconsin, a 55-year-old man found frozen in his garage after authorities say he apparently collapsed while shoveling snow.

Slippery roads making travel a nightmare. This dash cam video catching the treacherous driving conditions in Minnesota, where police say 193 crashes were reported on Tuesday. The wind chill at the Benson, Minnesota, airport, clocking in at 62 degrees below zero.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's really, really dangerous out right now.

YOUNG: This 13-vehicle pileup in Michigan bringing the highway to a standstill for hours.

SGT. ERIC WESTVEER, OTTAWA COUNTY SHERIFF: Slow down and leave space between you and the vehicle in front of you and be prepared for whiteout conditions.

YOUNG: In Illinois, giant patches of ice blanketing the river and residents insisting they're ready for the deep freeze.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm dressed in layers, you know, have two pairs of pants on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As long as I'm bundled up, have a hat, have a coat, I think I'll be fine.

YOUNG: Dangerously cold air predicted to make temperatures here feel like 50 below.

GOV. J.B. PRITZKER (D), ILLINOIS: These conditions are and can be life-threatening. Even short periods of exposure to this type of weather can be dangerous.

YOUNG: Winds also whipping in North Dakota, where it's expected to be negative 20 degrees. Across the nation, airlines canceling thousands of flights because of the deep freeze.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're putting the de-icer on, and the de-icer froze on the plane.

YOUNG: And for Amtrak customers, all Chicago trains suspended. The flames on these tracks intentional, crews setting them on fire to keep commuter trains going.

The weather's so cold the United States Postal Service suspending deliveries in parts of ten states.

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YOUNG: Now schools are closed across this area. There are also more than 20 warming centers across this theater open. You have to think about the homeless who are throughout this area, who are also looking for shelter.

We have actually stepped out on the bridge where the winds have been picking up for quite some time. It's almost like a wind tunnel. We made the mistake earlier of taking our gloves off, and you can feel that wind piercing your skin. It doesn't take but a few minutes to get frostbite. Really the word this day is to stay off the streets if you can. It is brutally cold -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Thank you for being there and showing us that the dreaded mouth freeze. I mean, all of us can relate to it when we've been out covering conditions, like Ryan is, where you sound drunk, frankly. He doesn't, but I have, because you're slurring within just a minute or so. You get slurry, because it's so cold.

BERMAN: You can't move your mouth. You literally can't move your mouth.

CAMEROTA: All right. So which of the areas will see the worst of this frigid weather. CNN meteorologist Jennifer Gray joins us now with the very purple forecast.

Hi, Jennifer.

JENNIFER GRAY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Hi, guys. And yes, it's incredible how widespread this is. We're seeing wind chill values blow 30, 40, 50 degrees below zero all the way up through Fargo, International Falls.

[06:05:05] And this spreads all the way southeast to Cleveland. Indianapolis, 27 below zero; 21 below zero is what the temperature feels like right now.

So as we go through the day today, by the morning commute, 48 below zero is what Chicago will feel like. Minneapolis will feel like 50 below zero. Cleveland. 23 below. As we go through the day, temperatures are not going to warm much at all.

In fact, we'll still feel like 40 below in Chicago by 5 p.m. tonight and then staying that way for 6 a.m. tomorrow morning. Chicago still feeling like 42 below zero.

But look, it spreads east. New York City feeling like 10 below zero by the time we get into tomorrow morning. In fact, Chicago's actual temperature will be colder tomorrow morning than this morning, but the winds will die down so it won't feel quite as cold as it is this morning.

So we are going to continue to see dangerously cold temperatures. In fact, the wind chill of 30 below zero. You can get frostbite in as little as ten minutes. Fifty below zero, five minutes is all it takes for that exposed skin to get frostbite. So it is a dangerous, dangerous cold.

Here are the temperatures over the next couple of days. We do rebound. And I will tell you by Sunday into Monday, it will be much, much warmer, in fact feeling like summer compared to these temperatures across a lot of the Midwest and the Northeast, guys.

BERMAN: All right. Jennifer Gray, thanks so much. Please, everyone, just be careful. Pay attention to all these warnings.

The other big story this morning, the chasm revealed between the nation's intelligence chiefs and the president of the United States. Direct contradictions between their assessments and the president's claims.

And in the bigger picture, it adds to the president's isolation here, rebuffed by the intelligence community, abandoned by many in his own party on the shutdown as the president enters his fifth day with no public schedule. Just watch how clearly top officials split from him before Congress on the world's greatest hot spots.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have won against ISIS. We've beaten them, and we've beaten them badly.

COATES: ISIS is intent on resurging and still commands thousands of fighters in Iraq and Syria.

TRUMP: Chairman Kim we have a great chemistry, and we're well on our way. We signed an agreement. It said we will begin the immediate de- nuclearization.

COATES: North Carolina will seek to retain its WMD capabilities and is unlikely to completely give up its nuclear weapons and production capabilities.

TRUMP: I have President Putin, he just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be.

CHRISTOPHER WRAY, FBI DIRECTOR: Not only the Russians continue to do it in 2018, but we've seen an indication that they're continuing to adapt their model.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BERMAN: All right. Joining us, Laura Coates, David Sanger, Joe Lockhart.

David, I want to start with you here. These were direct contradictions between the intelligence chiefs and what the president has said. And the director of national intelligence, Dan Coates, even put it more succinctly. He said, "My job is to prevent -- present the facts regardless of what the politics are."

What did you see?

DAVID SANGER, CNN POLITICAL AND NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: It was a remarkable show in the Senate yesterday and yet, at the same time, it was completely unsurprising.

One of the oddities of covering the Trump administration is that there is this divorce between the ground facts that the intelligence community and others are supposed to bring the president and then the decisions that they go and reach.

It's not that the president can't look at the intelligence and then decide he's going to ignore it, he's going to go off in a direction somebody else hasn't done. That's his right.

But what the president frequently then does is goes back and tries to argue that the underlying facts that he's being presented by the intelligence community aren't underlying facts.

Well, here you get, in the one time each year when all the intelligence chiefs have to sit in front of the Senate and speak in an unclassified session, the ground truth. And North Korea was just the clearest example that the president has been saying denuclearization is on the way, that him and Kim are in love, that they reached this great agreement.

And every time that we hear stories that describe new missile bases, continued production of nuclear material, we get the "fake news" tweet. Well, it's now it's Dan Coats that's going to have to get that "fake news" tweet.

CAMEROTA: David, one more question until we move on to the politics of all of this. This is foreign policy by feeling rather than by facts. And the feeling -- and President Trump, I think, has been pretty up-front about this -- he has great chemistry with Kim Jong-un. So it must be true.

He admires Vladimir Putin, so it must be true.

And instead of looking at the surveillance, the aerial photos of laboratories still cooking things, he feels that they had a connection. And, I mean, you just couldn't have been more stark yesterday with the people who have seen the facts and who have seen the actual intel saying, "No, this cannot be based on feelings." What exactly what the president is saying, it's the opposite of what's happening on the ground.

[06:10:08] SANGER: Well, Alisyn, you're exactly right. The president prides himself on going with his gut and said that many times.

I think what's critical here is that many times. I think what's critical here is that the president's having a difficult time separating out two different and distinct elements of diplomacy. One of them is building up the relationship. And he's not the first president to say, "Look, in the end, we're going to solve these problems based on a one-on-one relationship with another leader."

And in Kim Jong-un's case, it's a good idea, I think, that he's gone directly to the top, because Kim Jong-un's the only one who can make these decisions.

So what he's telling you, if you sort of translate from the Trump speak is, "I'm feeling better about this, because we're communicating with each other."

What he's not telling you is that all the evidence indicates that, on the ground, Kim's not doing anything differently than he did during the Obama administration, the Bush administration, or the Clinton administration.

BERMAN: You know what's interesting? The president's research team responded yesterday to the intelligence chiefs and what they had to say. Lou Dobbs.

CAMEROTA: Chief researcher.

BERMAN: Chief researcher for the president of the United States, basically told the intelligence chiefs on TV last night, "You're not doing a good enough job changing your facts to fit the politics." Listen to Lou Dobbs.

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LOU DOBBS, FOX NEWS BUSINESS ANCHOR: What the hell is wrong with the DNI? He has no political judgment. He has no sense of proportion. I mean, what in the hell is he thinking about?

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BERMAN: Joe Lockhart, what in hell is the director of national intelligence thinking about, presenting the intelligence that his staff and community has been working on for the last year?

JOE LOCKHART, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, in one sense you have to ask yourself why are we putting Lou Dobbs on TV? The guy is a certified nut, has been for 30 years, has been talking about this immigration crisis that's about to crater the United States since the 1980s.

On the other hand, it is completely relevant. The president takes Lou Dobbs' word over all of the intelligence community. He's the single most influential adviser to the president on immigration, now on North Carolina. It is a very, very scary situation when someone who doesn't know anything but agrees with the president becomes so influential and all the people who know things are just discounted. CAMEROTA: Right. Because he feels things strongly, too. Lou Dobbs

feels them strongly, and then the president feels them strongly; and facts be damned.

LOCKHART: No, no, no. He does feel them, and we do now have government almost by FOX News. In domestic policy, it's the evening. On a lot of the foreign policy, it's Lou Dobbs.

And go back, you know, it's go back over time; and you could list crazy things that have come out of his mouth. And we're now in a situation where all of the professionals are discounted. The nuts are, you know, in ascendance.

And imagine working in the intelligence community. Imagine putting your life on the line for the CIA or the DIA and looking at this situation and saying what's the point?

CAMEROTA: Laura, the other thing that was interesting yesterday is the thing that the president says is the national security crisis, immigration, border security, they did not bring up. So the intelligence chiefs did not talk about any terrorists, so-called terrorists coming across the southern border. as we know from the DHS assessment there weren't any in 2016 and 2017. They thought there might be six suspects in 2018. So they didn't talk about that.

The thing that shut down the government, the thing that the president has been talking about now for months.

LAURA COATES, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Imagine that, Alisyn, the idea that the president and the national security analysts, the national security intelligence chiefs are at odds about the fundamental thing that caused 800,000 employees and a ripple effect throughout our entire nation to feel the pain of being a political pawn.

I mean, you look at this issue, and you hear the general theme here. And the theme is that it's what -- you cannot begin with what you want to be true and hope to work backwards towards a set of facts that will make that conclusion true. You have to begin with what the evidence is in front of you. What are the facts? What are the scenarios? What are the statistics? What are the actual ideas that are on the ground? And then go forward.

You know, we're thinking anywhere from anywhere from a Russia probe to a discussion about North Korea to a discussion about immigration policy, it seems that it's always in reverse order.

Here's what they want to be true, and they work backward to try to create a narrative to where it's actually accurate, as opposed to gathering everything on the ground.

And what I think should be commended realistically about those chiefs that spoke yesterday is the idea that they could have been deferential and chosen to have those disagreements behind closed doors in the afternoon session. They could have simply said, you know, we're going to punt the ball and not, in many ways, embarrass the president by pointing out the very truth that they knew existed. [06:15:04] So I think it's a really -- it should be noted that they

chose transparency and honesty over placating the president, which is not going to help him or make him feel as though they help him or make him feel as though they are on his side. But it certainly suggests that they're on the side of accuracy, and that should comfort the American people.

BERMAN: You know, what's interesting to me is the president hasn't had anything on his public schedule for four days, and today is the fifth day of that.

So there's little question that he was probably watching this on TV, watching his on TV, watching his intelligence chiefs say this. He's watched over the last four days as Republicans have melted away from him over the shutdown.

Look, the shutdown essentially ended because Mitch McConnell had to tell the president he didn't any longer have Republican support to make it go on inside the Senate. And last night Chris Christie, yes, he's got a book out, he's selling a book, but Chris Christie who is a political ally of the president had this message on Stephen Colbert, listen.

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CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), FORMER GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY: The president blew it.

STEPHAN COLBERT, HOST, CBS'S "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT": When.

CHRISTIE: When he shut the government down with no plan on how to reopen it.

COLBERT: Entirely his fault, right?

CHRISTIE: Listen, he -- and I said this to him. I'm like, "Listen, if you're going to do this, you'd better have an exit plan. Because sometimes in politics, things don't go the way you expect.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BERMAN: It does feel, and Joe, I can give this to you. The president is on a bit of an island this morning. And if his intelligence chiefs have split from him. Some Republicans are now splitting from him and not afraid to say it publicly.

Mitch McConnell, to merge it all together, proposed something on foreign policy yesterday, saying that the Senate's foreign policy is a little bit different than the president's right now. It's an interesting place to be on day five of isolation.

LOCKHART: He is isolated, but I think think Trump creates his own reality. So while he'll rage against the witch-hunt, you know, with Roger Stone being lynched last week, being treated worse than Osama bin Laden. What's stayed -- you know, what has stayed steady for him is his echo chamber of FOX News, Info Wars. You know, it's that part of the Internet.

He's going to continue to work only with those who support him and listen to only those who support him.

But the most significant thing that's happened is in the Senate with McConnell. And as you said, there's beginning to be a split there. I think it's one of the things that McConnell realizes, is he does have to work with the House, which is now Democratic, and that will change the dynamic. If all of a sudden, he doesn't have the votes because he's had the acceptance of anything he does from Republicans, particularly in the Senate over the last two years.

If that changes, that means that the results will change. And he will have to accept a new reality.

CAMEROTA: Joe, Laura, David, thank you very much.

LOCKHART: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Our former Starbucks CEO and billionaire, Howard Schultz, he spoke to our Poppy Harlow about a range of subjects. A fascinating interview, specifically about Democrats, who are outraged that he is toying -- and I think toying a good word here -- with the idea of an independent presidential run.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's the final analysis.

HOWARD SCHULTZ, FORMER STARBUCKS CEO: Yes.

HARLOW: -- that President Trump gets a second term and that you pulled more from Democrats, would that keep you up at night?

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BERMAN: His response and more next.

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[06:21:49] CAMEROTA: Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz responding to the blowback from Democrats to his idea of an independent run for president. Does that make him reconsider?

Schultz is also telling his life story in his new book from the ground up. And CNN's Poppy Harlow sat down with Schultz for a wide-ranging interview. She joins us now. Tell us everything.

HARLOW: Good morning. I can tell you one thing for sure, and that is that Howard Schultz knew there would be pushback. He had no idea if would be like this. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE) HARLOW: When did you stop being a Democrat?

SCHULTZ: You know, I think I started -- I think the party started losing me when the party started shifting so far left to progressive policies that I know in my heart are as false -- and I say this with respect, but it's true -- as false as President Trump telling the American people when he was running for president that the Mexicans were going to pay for the wall.

HARLOW: Why you, Howard Schultz? Why are you the person that you think can oust President Trump from the White House without any party infrastructure, any party backing, and a ton of blowback from Democrats?

SCHULTZ: Well, I think people are worried, and I understand that, that potentially this could end up reelecting Donald Trump. I don't believe that.

HARLOW: So let me redo some of the blowback. You've read it.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HARLOW: OK.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HARLOW: Democratic presidential candidate Joaquin Castro says you, quote, "give the best hope of getting Trump reelected." Washington state Democratic Party chair, your home state Seattle, Washington, two words for you: "Just don't." Dan Pfeiffer, senior advisor to President Obama, calls the idea half-baked.

SCHULTZ: Uh-huh.

HARLOW: They all believe, with countless other Democrats, that you getting in this race, if you do, will do nothing but help ensure a second term for President Trump. What do you see that they all don't, other than those poll numbers?

SCHULTZ: What I see is that the majority of Americans are not being represented by the far right extreme of the Republican Party, the far left extreme of the Democratic Party. And I think lifelong Republicans and lifelong Democrats, given a legitimate choice for a better way, will find a home.

HARLOW: It clearly sounds like you're saying, if it is somewhere on the far left like a Senator Elizabeth Warren, for example, versus Trump, then you think there is a path for you. But what if Joe Biden runs?

SCHULTZ: Well, we'll have to see.

HARLOW: What if someone more centrist runs? Is there -- so maybe there may be someone?

SCHULTZ: We'll have to see what happens, you know. First of all, we have a long way to go. I don't know if Vice President Biden's going to run. I don't know if Mike Bloomberg's going to run. I don't know if either one of them could get the nomination.

But, like, last night as an example. As I said, I don't know Senator Harris, but just last night she made a statement on your network. And you know, I'm paraphrasing, but she made a statement that, in terms of free government-paid healthcare, that if she was president, she would wipe out the entire insurance industry. Now, to me --

HARLOW: She is supportive of Medicare for all and is supportive of then eliminating private insurance in this country.

SCHULTZ: Eliminating. Do you know what means?

HARLOW: What do you think of that?

SCHULTZ: Well, that's a very cavalier statement. What it means is that millions of people who work in the insurance industry, as well as the adjacency, are going to lose their jobs.

[06:25:12] HARLOW: Why do you think Medicare for all, in your words, is not American?

SCHULTZ: It's not that it's not American; it's unaffordable. So let me -- let me be very clear.

HARLOW: Because you called it not American earlier.

SCHULTZ: Healthcare -- healthcare has been central to my entire life. We just talked about that.

The first company in America to provide comprehensive health insurance to part-time people. I know a lot about this issue. It's deeply in my heart.

Now, what I believe is that every American has the right to affordable healthcare as a statement. I also believe that the Affordable Care Act under President Obama was the right thing to do to provide over 30 million people who did not have insurance to get insurance.

But now that we look back on it, the premiums have sky rocketed, and we need to go back to the Affordable Care Act, refine it and fix it.

HARLOW: So the price tag on it, whether you look at the Urban Institute numbers or the Mercadis (ph) numbers, are 32 trillion for Medicare for all over a decade. But --

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HARLOW: Senator Sanders says if his plan, yes, you pay more in taxes for it are the healthcare savings that Americans aren't spending to private insurers is 2 trillion. You say.

SCHULTZ: This is not true.

HARLOW: Immigration. I'm interested in what you could do and what you would propose as president for the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in this country. Not just the DREAMers.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HARLOW: What would you do?

SCHULTZ: First off, I agree with the Republicans completely that we need strict, stiff border security.

HARLOW: But not a wall?

SCHULTZ: Not with a wall, which is insanity. So I agree.

I also agree with the Republicans, not the Democrats, that ICE has a major role to play in this. But Republicans want to strip mothers from babies and put kids in internment camps. I don't agree with that.

HARLOW: Path to citizenship for those 11 million?

SCHULTZ: Let me get to the DREAMers first. We're a country of immigrants. We're a country based on humanity and fairness. I think it's un-American for the DREAMers not to have a pathway to citizenship, and they should be given that.

With regard to the 11 million people who are unauthorized, let them get in line, pay taxes, pay a fee, and over time give them the opportunity to become Americans.

HARLOW: But they remain -- under a Schultz presidency if you had your druthers, those 11 million undocumented immigrants would remain in this country on a path to citizenship?

SCHULTZ: Correct.

HARLOW: You would not send them to their home country?

SCHULTZ: No, I would not.

HARLOW: In the final analysis, if you run, Howard, and if you run, you take more away from Democrats than Republicans, and we don't know. We don't know what that would be, and I've looked at all the polling back to the exit polls with Ross Perot.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HARLOW: We just don't know.

SCHULTZ: This isn't Ross Perot.

HARLOW: But if that's the final analysis.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

HARLOW: That President Trump gets a second term and that you pulled more from Democrats, would that keep you up at night? SCHULTZ: I would never put myself in a position where I would be the

person who reelects Donald Trump. But that is not what I believe today.

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BERMAN: I've got a million questions. Observations.

CAMEROTA: How about just -- we have time for one.

BERMAN: Most of which I'll keep private. But I do want to ask about Michael Bloomberg.

HARLOW: Sure.

BERMAN: Obviously, Michael has thought about an independent run for decades maybe. What does Howard Schultz say about that?

HARLOW: My sort of jaw was almost on the floor when he brought up Michael Bloomberg, even before I did. And he said to me, "Poppy" -- and I'm paraphrasing -- "If Mike Bloomberg ran two years ago as an independent, I think he could have won."

I said, "Howard Schultz, Mike Bloomberg doesn't even think that." He did all the data. He poured money into this. He says the numbers don't work out. And he says, "I think he could have won."

I disagree. And then I said, "OK, so if Mike Bloomberg jumps in much more centrist than some of the other Democratic candidates this year as a Democrat, will you not run?"

And he said, "Mike Bloomberg running has no impact on my decision to run." Because they have very similar platforms on things like Medicare for all, for example, but he said it won't affect his decision.

BERMAN: That was interesting, though, because in the conversation we just heard, he made clear that he was waiting to see what Bloomberg and Biden do, other older white guys.

HARLOW: That's true. That is all true, John Berman.

And we spent an hour talking. So you can -- you can hear his explanation on a lot of that in the full interview.

CAMEROTA: You can hear the full interview with Howard Schultz on Poppy's podcast, "Boss Files." Great job.

BERMAN: And Poppy's going to stick around, because we have a lot more to talk about this, about 2020, writ large, including whether Senator Kamala Harris is willing to compromise on her Medicare for all pledge.

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